tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post8419347845910536410..comments2024-02-25T20:07:56.114-06:00Comments on Mr. Verb: Facts, lyrics and double negativesMr. Verbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04048931596146402872noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post-84571916249734537102015-02-23T20:46:06.477-06:002015-02-23T20:46:06.477-06:00That is the variant Chief Justice Roberts was impl...That is the variant Chief Justice Roberts was implying to refer to. On the off chance that he needed to allude to an alternate variant, then he shouldn't have ascribed the citation to that record.Cheap Noble Warrior Adult Costumehttp://www.go4costumes.com/products/Noble-Warrior-Adult-Costume/index.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post-68066051379200148922008-06-30T19:36:00.000-05:002008-06-30T19:36:00.000-05:00But who's the punk dude in the pic?But who's the punk dude in the pic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post-71400623094711824542008-06-30T06:07:00.000-05:002008-06-30T06:07:00.000-05:00But people are making assumptions here: "always ch...But people are making assumptions here: "always check the quote with the original source, not someone else’s characterization of what the source said." I assume Dylan's written lyrics are the source of what's on his site, whichever was written first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post-2837429600815972962008-06-30T05:41:00.000-05:002008-06-30T05:41:00.000-05:00Q-pheevr, you're right that he should hew to the c...Q-pheevr, you're right that he should hew to the cited source, but the written lyrics -- like those on Dylan's own site -- have the language Roberts used. <BR/><BR/>I think I was challenging the notion of what's 'real' or 'right' in song lyrics in such a case. Aniibiish is pushing in a similar direction.<BR/><BR/>But I was posting in a hurry last night and forgot a key point ... see the update.Mr. Verbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048931596146402872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post-66139144581837682132008-06-29T23:02:00.000-05:002008-06-29T23:02:00.000-05:00This is really fun, but I wonder about the transcr...This is really fun, but I wonder about the transcription of Dylan's line, being someone who must constantly struggle with transcribing an essentially oral language. I don't think that "you" and "yuh" (or "ya") are the same in midwestern English, they rather qualitatively index different speech registers. So the line should be transcribed as "When yuh ain't got nothin', yuh got nothin' to lose." More issues of course, re the droppin' of the "g"'s (as it's popularly represented). And what about "to" -- it's pronounced tuh as well, but perhaps almost _always_, so not an indicator of anything. The "ain't" spelling bugs me a bit too, because I would never pronounce this with anything but a final glottal stop. Ergo, there's a ton of details here that are very important. I understand that even the most formal English involves elisions, collisions, etc., but many of those in Dylan's line carry particular social significance because they're so blinkin' socially salient.<BR/><BR/> On a slight sidenote, I noticed long ago that "ain't" has a very different social/usage status in songs than it does in speech. It's perfectly acceptable for middle-class singers to use "ain't," even that literatus extraordinaire, Leonard Cohen, sings, "There ain't no cure for love."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33159158.post-74473070952901683032008-06-29T20:44:00.000-05:002008-06-29T20:44:00.000-05:00But why would you assume that the version on the r...<I>But why would you assume that the version on the record is <B>the</B> version?</I><BR/><BR/>That's the version Chief Justice Roberts was purporting to cite. If he wanted to refer to a different version, then he shouldn't have attributed the quotation to that record.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com